Why Father was Born with & Mother Without
God's pure lineage can be established on Earth only if both: Husband and Wife, separated from Satan, stand united with God. Only through such family can a tribe, society, nation and world expand engrafted in God's lineage. Only through such family God's Kingdom on Earth can start, and expand in Heaven.
God's pure lineage can be established on Earth only if both: Husband and Wife, separated from Satan, stand united with God. Only through such family can a tribe, society, nation and world expand engrafted in God's lineage. Only through such family God's Kingdom on Earth can start, and expand in Heaven.
(This Question & Answer session is very hot at the moment, we are re-posting it from a FB Chat)
Question: How do you deal with True Mother's theory that True Father was born with original sin and she was born without original sin. And she is the one who educated and saved True Father.
Answer: That's actually Father's explanation.
I read these explanation from TF many years ago.
If you understand DP, this is very clear.
Answer: That's actually Father's explanation.
I read these explanation from TF many years ago.
If you understand DP, this is very clear.
What happened is that 10 years ago, some of our theologians found few such quotes from Father and for the first time started discussing this issue.
CPMR is just adding the education needed to understand DP and Father's words. But exactly those who didn't understand DP correctly before are in rush to create divisions now, one side or the other.
Why is this clarification needed Theologically:
For us as members it makes no difference, but for Christians and for the future correctness, it has to be clarified. Jesus is the one and only "only begotten". The next one will be 'second' and "not only".
"The word “only begotten” is a translation of the Greek “monogenesis.” This word is variously translated into English as “sole,” “one and only,” and “only begotten.”"
What is True Father's explanation?
Father said, he didn't have to be born without original sin... Jesus already fulfilled that condition.
Father said, he didn't have to be born without original sin... Jesus already fulfilled that condition.
Note: Jesus was "born from fallen parents" but with condition to separate from Satan. Father was also born from fallen parents, but parents didn't have to do such condition.
You find this explained in DP; new central figure inherits the victory of the previous (For example Noah's righteousness was enough condition for him to inheriting the successful foundation of Abraham's family).
Only Begotten Son - means the first begotten sinless after Adam lost that position. Jesus is the first - that position is not replaceable. It's OK to say that father took that position. But as the Returning Lord he is not the first - he just inherits it, he is 'second' (CPMR explains). Jesus is the real and only Only Begotten Son, Biblically, otherwise will not be 'Only'.
Father said, he only needed to inherit that victory, win spiritually. The principle is that since Jesus opened that door already, everyone with good disposition and fulfilling his responsibility can and should do it. Jesus also said in the Bible, that based on his victory we can do even greater things.
In Principle perspective: Growing to the top of Growth Stage was already open by Jesus. No one has ever opened the Completion Stage of growth, because this is the Family Level - only a true family can open it. Once in the spirit world Jesus cannot do that. Mother or Father alone, cannot do it.
What Jesus wanted Father to restore beyond his spiritual victory, is find the restored Eve, and create Family centered on God. That cannot be done in the spirit world. It needs substantial victory on Earth. The lineage can be established only if both: Husband and Wife, separated from Satan, stand united with God. Jesus was killed beforehand and couldn't fulfill that.
Note: For Father to be victorious and inherit, means his lineage was also prepared, conditions of separations from Satan were made, Jesus' victory, and the 2000 year Christian foundation are included. No miraculous birth needed, just for him to be victorious and inherit.
Biblical Perspective: As Jesus promised in the Bible, another will come victorious and he will give him that mission. It is clear that Father had to first overcome Satan in some way, so Jesus could give him this mission.
To him who overcomes and does my will... I will give authority... just as I have received authority from my Father. (Revelation 2:26-28)
Rev. 19:12, "and bearing a new name... and his name was the word of God."
So, according to this revelation, Father reached the victory, so Jeus could pass his mission to him. Yes! And who prepared a bride? It was also Jesus. Revelation promises, "a bride will be prepared." It is CPMR explanation, that at the same time Jesus gave revelation about the birth of Mother, Jesus also gave the revelation to Father of his mission.
Note:
Is a 'prepared bride' born without relation to this victorious man? No, to make a bride prepared, God prepared a bridegroom... otherwise no meaning to send her. Yes!
Meaning - Father made successful foundation for Jesus to trust him do the mission, that's why Mother could be born.
In the CPMR lecture it says, Only Begotten Daughter didn't come at the time of Jesus, because "Environment to send Only Begotten Daughter was not formed." Who set this environment this time? Mother was born as OBD based on successful conditions: historic, her family, Father, and the prepared groups, receiving revelations the Lord of Second Advent is already born.
Note: God was preparing bride for Jesus, but Israel invaded, so she is invaded. That's why God prepared Mother, knowing that Christianity is invaded, and the prepared by it 'bride' has no separation from Satan.
Q: Why Mother says she was connected to God from child?
When Mother says she was connected to God from child, does not remove the principle that she had to grow. Such conclusion of some lecturers or members is so ignorant, and wrong.
- Connected to God from childhood, means born without Original Sin (like Adam and Eve)
- But reaching perfection has levels: Individual, family, tribe, national etc.
Adam and Eve were connected to God from childhood - but they were still to reach individual perfection, family perfection, perfect parental love etc. Yet, since they had no original sin, they could communicate with God the whole time. I don't understand which part of that some members don't understand.
Note: God has both aspects, True Parents are representing these aspects - first to unite it - perfect it in substance on earth. Second - to re-establish God's lineage on earth. They did it - end of story! Question is who of the next generations will inherit of fail. Also, will we inherit of fail. Theological arguments will not fulfill that responsibility instead of us.
Q: Yes, this is clear.... but ....True Mother says or what new educational system "Champumoron" teaches is that True Mother was not educated by True Father because she was born without original sin and she knew it everything from beginning and she was educated by God and she was the one who educated True Father.
Remember, no one is born a parent. Husband and Wife, each contributes to make the other what he is, and create perfect family together. That's clarified in CPMR - Members specifically asked in Korea. Notice how in their ignorance or evil intend some take who said what out of context to build some unprincipled conclusions. But if you know DP well - everything makes perfect sense.
If once heart is wrong and invaded by evil spirits they tend to get things out of context and twist the perspective. But there is nothing new, and nothing shocking! Mostly things we already knew, or Father explained, but important to clarify now, for the sake of the future.
In fact, Father told us many times how God raised Mother from childhood, and how God gave revelation about her birth. But why some have problem hearing that from Mother herself? What's wrong with these people?
So, if God was teaching her, did he teach her well? Yes, he did!
Did Father had to struggle to explain to her his mission, as he struggled with the woman prepared by Christianity? No! Mother was raised with this education. God prepared that environment to prepare her for her mission. Father many times expressed his gratitude for that.
Q: What about other unclear or shocking proclamation like True Father did many mistakes by marring many times or..... ????
Yes, Father said that many times. I was on Father's last European tour, where he was explaining to us how desperately he tried to fulfill God's will, making many mistakes on the way, but never gave up. If he knew beforehand Christianity will fail, and the prepared by it 'bride' too, of course it was better not to marry her. But no matter what's better as a final plan, providence follows its course.
- From principal perspective Father's parents did indemnity for Jesus' parents, who didn't match him.
- And Father had to accept the prepared by Christianity 'Bride' - and try to work with Christianity. The failure of Christianity,
The 1st wife came on the foundation of 2000 years Christianity. What foundation Mother came on?
We all know, it's not based on the mainstream Christianity, but prepared by Jesus groups - that knew the Lord is already born in Korea. So, we cannot deny, Mother was born as Only Begotten Daughter on the foundation of Father's victory, and the prepared by Jesus groups, who knew he is born.
Note: Bible has a quote, that the first bride would fail him and try to mislead him from his mission, but will not succeed. But because of his victory God will use that and raise a true wife, prepared to complete the mission. I read this quote before joining the Church, and God told me, this quote is concerning the Second Advent's wife. When I saw video of Father's biography this was a prove for me, confirming True Parents' mission.
What was Father's biggest headache
He was desperate to fulfill the mission of creating a true family. But all women have base for Satan to invade them. Trying again and again, that could go forever! Mother saved Father from that struggle. Didn't she? She did! Because she fulfilled her mission. She didn't waver constantly. All their life she completely supported him. Obviously, Satan had no base to invade. Otherwise, she could be hundreds of times a day rebellious, just as our wives are sometimes.
And yet, the first thing in the "Champumoron" lectures now is the victory of True Parents, for which each fulfills his portion of responsibility. We cannot but notice that the things SC accuses TM are always things that Father explained, but when Mother repeats them, they accuse. This only shows their own ignorance and disrespect for Father's words.
Q: Why Demian's lectures sound like Father was Patriarchal and failed Mother?
Yes, Demian pushes very wrong and manipulative interpretations of Mother's and Father's words.
But note that he is really using manipulation instead of facts and quotes to support them. Demian was always a very physical mind person. His way of manipulation reminds me of Masons... So, separate what some leaders and educators say, and what Mother really said and meant. Many sects will appear if we follow the nonsense of some educators.
Did Father have to learn from Mother?
That's the Principle - Husband and Wife have to rise each other. Only through and in relation with the partner they can enter the Completion Stage - only as a Family. No individual can do it alone.
Surely! That's the Principle: To understand God's feminine aspect, each husband has to learn through experience with his wife. In fact, it is Father's teaching that the wife is in the position of the Messiah for the husband. Even TF cannot reach perfection without her. That was always the core of all our lectures. Why should be a problem to hear it now?
We all learn from our wives. Nothing wrong or shameful in that. It is the beauty of God's creation, we learn and grow together.
Father explained numerous times the beauty of God creating us male and female. He said it will take not only this life, but eternity to learn all the beauty of our spouse's characteristics.
How could he learn God's Feminine aspect otherwise? There was no other sinless women in the history! But even though Father spoke of this many times, members still don't understand. Is that Father's failure, or members failure? (Members) You see how big problem now is caused by this ignorance. We have to see from God's perspective. Stop twisting and accusing from our partial human viewpoints.
Q: Why Mother could not say who she was to Father?
Just the opposite: FATHER was the one who told us who Mother is. Focused on other things some members didn't get it. So now Mother is pushed to re-explain what Father already told us. And some of those who didn't understand it the first time, still have personal blocks to understand. That is the problem.
Note: Only in the first half of the first version of CSG, I found 17 quotes of Father explaining the Only Begotten Daughter. How many times more in his 500 volumes? Father told us, but Sanctuary still cannot accept. That's from ignorance.
Another problem is the lack of education. These issues were discussed and lectured in Korea, but not in Western countries. Local leaders still present misinterpretations, that sound scary, because the educators themselves presume or intentionally create problems.
Examples:
- William Haines, teaching only doubts of CPMR, while pretending to teach it. Or Demian, using it to propagandize his own imaginary views that Mother and Father had some kind of conflict. But William Haines is a Zionist, who is basically against our teachings (see, William Haines' Lectures against Mother and the DP).
- And Demian could also be a Mason or have another underhanded agenda. We have to be careful of such things. To distinguish, please read: Masonic Humanism vs Godism
- For example, in UK a generational Master Mason, son of Grand Master, became London UC pastor, and even openly denounced Mother's beloved grandson. See, Master Mason Used Masonic Tactic to Creates Conflict with Mother's Grandson
Why Father declared Mother "a victorious model... that we all need to follow".
This is the proclamation of his last official speech. And he declared that now the age of women is starting? That was just weeks before his ascension. He clearly instructed not to follow man (including his sons) for they just fight. See, ERA OF WOMEN VS. MAN'S STRUGGLE FOR POWER
“Under True Mother as the victorious representative of the world’s women, women can establish now the model of a true mother and true wife and form ideal families through a true love movement." (Father July16 2012)
Why even some lecturers, like Demian, interpret CPMR as a Matriarchate, and push a conflict with the Patriarchal system. Restoring women to the model of true wife is not to push feminism, as some western lecturers will tend to do. The opposite - it is to make women fulfil their responsibility to unite and rais their husbands, just as Mother did.
Note: Father himself was telling us, that if it is difficult for wives to unite with their husbands, think of how much more difficult it is for Mother, to support and unite with him, because the scope of their mission.
Did Father make many mistakes?
Surely! But mistakes are not sin! Father told us in Greece that he is the one who failed so many times but always stood up and continued. Trying again and again. That great was his determination to liberate God and humanity. In one of the HDH books he was talking about mistakes he made, that if he didn't make the providence of restoration would have been faster. We are all like that, if we go back in time we can fix many things. Notice, even if it's connected to the mistakes of many others, he takes responsibility.
The Only Begotten Daughter issue:
Why some contradict this issue? Father mentioned hundreds of times the need of Only Begotten Daughter to appear. Bible ended with this promise, that such woman will appear as a prepared bride. That was the key mission of Christianity. Did they understand and fulfilled that mission? Even members of SC and alike, don't understand DP, deny TF's explanations and keep accusing and accusing falsely.
Main reason - they falsely presume CPMR denies Father's position. Which is not true!
Here is CPMR explanation: "ODB cannot fulfill alone, needs the LSA to ascend to the position of True Parents."
Please notice: Jesus personally appeared to the Inside-belly Church with revelations of Father's age. Meaning, Jesus could do that based on Father's victory of inheriting him. So Mother was the fruit of that Church, not of the official Christianity, but the sect Spiritually connected to Father. You can say that Jesus raised her as the Only Begotten Daughter. But this is still connected to Father's victory.
If Father, born from the fallen lineage, could succeed to reach individual perfection and overcome Satan, how wonderful. It means even we can do it. We have no excuse. The Divine Principle clearly explains that after the Messiah sets the model course, all humanity should reach the same victory subjugating Satan. Only then Satan will have no objects to work through, and God's Kingdom will be established on Earth as in Heaven.
Q: Was the first wife without Original Sin?
So, you question is, did Christianity set complete condition? If yes - condition of removing original sin will be set. Obviously, Christianity did not! Truth is, Christianity did not separate a 'Bride' from Satan, because it was itself invaded by Satan.
If Christianity was invaded, 'the prepared bride' will be invaded, so original sin will not be removed. But because Father didn't fail, Principle says, God will raise another 'object' to fulfill the mission. That's Mother.
Q: But if they did what will happened? If Eve made good condition and didn't fall what will happen? And it's human responsibility and predestination....isn't?
Your question is, will Father be able to raise her to Separate from Satan completely, even though she had some base of fallen nature? Or was that matching only to indemnify Jesuses' parents failure to match him?
Father explained that Adam could probably be able to restore Eve even after she failed, if not God could create another, based on his condition. We now understand that it could be much better to get Blessed directly with Mother. How could he know at that time? And yet, as a Third Adam, TF tried to restore the 'Fallen Eve', she failed, and God created a new, sinless Eve. Precisely that's what happened. Based on his effort and heart, God could do that.
Note: While Father was making indemnity struggling to elevate the invaded first wife, Mother was growing and being educated by Heaven. Heaven could use Father's heart and unfailing sincere efforts to prepare a new, more perfect object for him.
Despite the fact that they didn't yet know each other, we cannot disconnect how the conditions set by one influenced the other. Even I felt how my life was connected with my wife, preparing her way to join. Even after our Matching, my prayers and conditions helped her to be guided by God and grow. Same is true in both directions.
When did Christianity Fail?
There are things, we learn now about Christianity being invaded by Satanists. So it's natural that God knew where things are heading.
80% of the Christian churches were found to have Satanic alters after the WWII. The failure of Christianity goes way back than 1945.
True Father explains the failure of Christianity when Communist countries were allowed in UN. But now we know that Rotschild-false-jew Bankgsters/Zionist/Satanists took over UN; created the Communist countries; and invaded the Democratic world, even the Churches. That happened before Father was even born.
Father told us personally few things about that, in connection to these Bankgsters. But at that time we couldn't print that in our magazines. Father told us, he will make these things revealed from the spirit world, because humanity have to understand, to be able to get rid of these Satanic system on earth. Not by weapons, the change comes with the Truth, dispelling the Ignorance.
There are things, we learn now about Christianity being invaded by Satanists. So it's natural that God knew where things are heading.
80% of the Christian churches were found to have Satanic alters after the WWII. The failure of Christianity goes way back than 1945.
True Father explains the failure of Christianity when Communist countries were allowed in UN. But now we know that Rotschild-false-jew Bankgsters/Zionist/Satanists took over UN; created the Communist countries; and invaded the Democratic world, even the Churches. That happened before Father was even born.
Father told us personally few things about that, in connection to these Bankgsters. But at that time we couldn't print that in our magazines. Father told us, he will make these things revealed from the spirit world, because humanity have to understand, to be able to get rid of these Satanic system on earth. Not by weapons, the change comes with the Truth, dispelling the Ignorance.
Conclusion:
What I see now, is that Mother repeats things that Father said, which are important, but members didn't notice before. And some with evil heart are fast to jump and accuse.
What I see now, is that Mother repeats things that Father said, which are important, but members didn't notice before. And some with evil heart are fast to jump and accuse.
It's not only their ignorance, that Father said that already. It's their evil heart. Love to accuse / and blindness to hear what Father said.
Let us all unite with God's heart and keep the attitude of Unificationists and Peacemakers, rather than Divisionists , Gossipers and Accusers, which was Satan's root nature. Let's follow Father's last direction:
"In the twenty-first century, women should play a major role.. pulling forward the construction of a peaceful world. Going beyond a century of power and technology, women will be the central axis in building.. loving, peaceful culture.
(Men) struck a brick wall.. unable to move beyond.. various interests of individual nations.. Up to now, we have depended on government organizations centered on men.. Now, however, to surmount the limitations they have demonstrated, I believe that a women's peace movement.. is absolutely necessary." "" (Father July16 2012)
As you see, last before his passing, Father didn't mention anything about his sons being the solution or the center to follow, but proclaims the eternal victory of the True Parents, specifically Mother's victory and position.
To come out of the age of male struggles, now Heaven works centered on women, Father said. Women have motherly heart. That's why in his last public speech he asked us to center on Mother, who is the victorious model:
"I sincerely ask you to choose True Mother's path; the path of a true wife, of a true daughter and of a true woman leader who will build a unified world where freedom, peace and happiness overflow in its truest form." Father - July 16, 2012
